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can a reduction in rates really spur the romney ryan growth? let's bring in guests and find out it's true. doug and mark, great to see both of you. doug, the romney/ryan plan will reduce rates like 20%. let's forget the lool hope for a moment. see the top rate go down from 35% to 28%. that's certainly not a drop, like jfk did or romney did. can 35 to 28 spark real gdp growth? >> i think we're in a very different world and quite frankly a better world. the feature they have in common, often not appreciated, these are permanent tax reforms, and they have much bigger impacts. it makes sense. a tax cut for a day, you wouldn't do much. and it would change a lot of things, the research supports that notion, an important part of this, a tax reform, permanent change that eliminates the changes. and it reduces complexity. complexity causes people to, a, waste money with tax planning and lawyers and leads to you waste business decisions on the basis of taxes, not business fundamentals and erodes faye faith in the tax system. and the combination of person
can a reduction in rates really spur the romney ryan growth? let's bring in guests and find out it's true. doug and mark, great to see both of you. doug, the romney/ryan plan will reduce rates like 20%. let's forget the lool hope for a moment. see the top rate go down from 35% to 28%. that's certainly not a drop, like jfk did or romney did. can 35 to 28 spark real gdp growth? >> i think we're in a very different world and quite frankly a better world. the feature they have in common,...
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i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are secretarying. >> bill: thanks as always. that's it for us tonight's. we're going to hand
i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are secretarying. >> bill: thanks as always. that's it for us tonight's. we're going to hand
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i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are
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plus, paul ryan blames mitt romney's tax plan adds up. even says it's been done before. a fact check coming up. >>> and a teenage girl bullied posted a desperate cry on the internet. just a month later, she's dead. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. nature valley trail mix bars are made with real ingredients you can see. like whole roasted nuts, chewy granola, and real fruit. nature valley trail mix bars. 100% natural. 100% delicious. [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multi-vitamin designed for men's health con
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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...
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i think on both scores, ryan will really help romney. we have to realize how much of obama's appeal isenio v.ebwi 25 ora 25-year, i guess, difference in age, and one who is kind of a haard regular old-time bomb baftic politician, and the other, a very incisive, sharp cuolsohi ryave a tremendous edge. the other thing is that ryan wrote the romney program. this is not just a candidate for v.p., his the intellectual leader of the republican party day. t bpheat aolcaatke now, it's like mickey mantle coming to bat because he -- he wrote all ofhese programs. he knows these budgets. he knows these figures and biden i kysinodoguely aqadit emweant decisive. i think we are looking now at a whole new band of states coming into play, michigan, pennsylvania, new jersey. a bunch of state that nobody >>reta: all rht. near play. sa w bece a u et cesyao el if, instead, that it's a tie? essentially both gentlemen do about the same, no one dazzles anybody and everybody wal away, saying no one kill the other one >> that has to heomne he i t s. s ene wovg. y
i think on both scores, ryan will really help romney. we have to realize how much of obama's appeal isenio v.ebwi 25 ora 25-year, i guess, difference in age, and one who is kind of a haard regular old-time bomb baftic politician, and the other, a very incisive, sharp cuolsohi ryave a tremendous edge. the other thing is that ryan wrote the romney program. this is not just a candidate for v.p., his the intellectual leader of the republican party day. t bpheat aolcaatke now, it's like mickey...
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after the vice president debate, romney-ryan ticket is riding high with polls and pundits dubbing it a draw. >> did you get a chance to watch the debate last night? yeah. yeah. i think you might agree with me that there was one person on stage last night who was thoughtful, and respectful, steady, and poised. the kind of perp you want to turn to in a crisis. that was the next vice president of the united states paul ryan. [ applause ] >> i feel great. >> over breakfast, ryan said he was pleased by the performance and had been ready for biden's attacks. >> how do you feel? >> it's what i expected. >> biden was clearly the aggressor. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of mu lar i can. >> vice president scoffed so much at ryan the rnc pumped out a web video immediately. snap polls showed a split decision. 48% of debate watchers said ryan won in cnn poll to 44% biden. >> we're saying these are from your act wares -- >> who interrupted ryan so often he accused biden overcompensating for the president's losing performance last week. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for
after the vice president debate, romney-ryan ticket is riding high with polls and pundits dubbing it a draw. >> did you get a chance to watch the debate last night? yeah. yeah. i think you might agree with me that there was one person on stage last night who was thoughtful, and respectful, steady, and poised. the kind of perp you want to turn to in a crisis. that was the next vice president of the united states paul ryan. [ applause ] >> i feel great. >> over breakfast, ryan...
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congressman ryan did a great job in explaining governor romney's position on those. i also think that -- >> go ahead. >> avoided mistakes and the vice president didn't. his statements on benghazi as you've been covering andrea, are going to be an ongoing problem for the administration. they really just enhanced the contradictions in the administration's policy. >> there were other issues for paul ryan, though, when it came to medicare and tax policy that have been questioned. what about the differences over medicare, health care? he said that there were no -- that there was no study, no statistics that show increased costs in ryan one in the first medicare proposal which the congressional budget office says is not the case. ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you
congressman ryan did a great job in explaining governor romney's position on those. i also think that -- >> go ahead. >> avoided mistakes and the vice president didn't. his statements on benghazi as you've been covering andrea, are going to be an ongoing problem for the administration. they really just enhanced the contradictions in the administration's policy. >> there were other issues for paul ryan, though, when it came to medicare and tax policy that have been questioned....
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what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i think he was toned down in denver because he was advised not to be that barack obama. don't be overly arrogant toward rim rim. now he has to find that balance, which i don't think joe biden found last night. i think saturday night live will have a great skit -- >> don't count on it. >> well, you are probably right. but he's got to be able to do that. he has to be able to take the bite, like joe biden did -- joe biden took the fight to paul ryan. romney has to do exactly what he did in denver. he has to be the person he is. mitt romney we saw in the primary, the one who defined himse
what do romney/ryan need to do at hoff stra. this is barack obama's territory. he likes the town hall meetings. i think he will feel a lot more comfortable and go on the attack? >> he does. but i think one of the reasons we saw a sort of reduced barack obama, if you will, in the last debate is because he has a tendence tow come off as arrogant and smug and petty, almost as if he can't believe someone would have the audacity to disagree with his opinion. that's what he has to avoid. i...
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i think on both scores, ryan will really help romney. we have to realize how much of obama's appeal is generational. when you you are putting on a v.p. debate with a 25 or 25-year, i guess, difference in age, and one who is kind of a haggard regular old-time bomb baftic politician, and the other, a very incisive, sharp, focused policy person, i think that you really are going to see ryan have a tremendous edge. the other thing is that ryan wrote the romney program. this is not just a candidate for v.p., his the intellectual leader of the republican party today. for him to be up there debating in a political debate is like, you know, it's like mickey mantle coming to bat because he -- he wrote all of these programs. he knows these budgets. he knows these figures and biden is only vaguely aqaipted with them. i think ryan is going to do extremely well and that will be decisive. i think we are looking now at a whole new band of states coming into play, michigan, pennsylvania, new jersey. a bunch of states that nobody would have thought near
i think on both scores, ryan will really help romney. we have to realize how much of obama's appeal is generational. when you you are putting on a v.p. debate with a 25 or 25-year, i guess, difference in age, and one who is kind of a haggard regular old-time bomb baftic politician, and the other, a very incisive, sharp, focused policy person, i think that you really are going to see ryan have a tremendous edge. the other thing is that ryan wrote the romney program. this is not just a candidate...
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at each event today, mitt romney and paul ryan have been trying to thump mr. obama for his absence of leadership on this, they say. here is a sampling from earlier today at mr. romney's convenient in portsmouth, ohio. >> over the past several years, the president failed to call china a currency manipulator. he had the occasion on friday to come out with that official designation. you know what they said? we're not going to make any determination until after the election. let me tell you, on day one of my administration, i will label china a currency manipulator. >> here in ohio, that is a particularly potent attack because the manufacturing base had taken such a hit over the past few years, both in the obama economy and before. paul ryan was campaigning today in youngtown, ohio. he made the point that mr. obama has had a number of chances to take steps to crack down on china and passed on them. watch. >> the administration had their eighth chance to label china a currency manipulator. it's due in two days. they say they're going to push this deadline off until
at each event today, mitt romney and paul ryan have been trying to thump mr. obama for his absence of leadership on this, they say. here is a sampling from earlier today at mr. romney's convenient in portsmouth, ohio. >> over the past several years, the president failed to call china a currency manipulator. he had the occasion on friday to come out with that official designation. you know what they said? we're not going to make any determination until after the election. let me tell you,...
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did ryan help maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our viewers, first. >> under a romney administration, we will have credibility on this issue. >> vice president biden? >> it's incredible. >> thank heaven which have these sanctions in place. >> oh, god. >> it's been discredited by six other studies. over 100 criminal investigations. >> martha. >> go ahead. >> martha, look. >> here is some of what the republicans are saying about the vice president's performance last night. >> reminded me of al gore in 2000 walking over and standing by president bush sort of getting in his space. >> i don't know if he thought this w
did ryan help maintain the romney momentum? >> this is a classic case where both sides of the aisle people saw what they wanted to see. >> joining me now is brad woodhouse, communications director of the democrat national committee. thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, richard. >> the vice president is being hammered by people who say he was laughing inappropriately, very energetic certainly. smirking, interrupting frequently. let's play some of those moments for our...
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the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and get serious about making sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> reporter: the obama administration asserted that doing such tough crackdowns on china could lead to a trade war of the fastest growing economy in the word and they said that mr. romney hasn't been entirely pure when it comes to doing business with china himself in his private life and private business experience. the romney campaign says it is all excuses and time for the u.s. government to stop putting up with china's trade practices and currency manip
the romney-ryan ticket has been spending more time in ohio than in the country. here is a little bit from governor romney at his last event. thehis president on friday the administration was to put out hasanswer to the question chas china manipulated their currency or not. they were supposed to designate that on friday. they said we will not do that. we will wait until after the election to do that. seven times so far they passed the buck on that. i'm not going to pass that off. on day one i...
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unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have seen about undecided was done by any major network was cbs and it was pretty clear who won the debate amongst uncommitted voters, ryan 31%, biden 50%. he smashed him which was my reading of it in the moment. >> look, people are voting right now in ohio. so if you've made up your mind in ohio and you watched last night's debate, you were energized and went out to the polls and voted, that makes an impact on the election. governor romney can't win without ohio. there are, there is a narrow sliver of voters that are still in play in some of these states. i thin
unfortunately, the burden is on romney and ryan. we already know what to expect with biden and with obama. but unfortunately, romney and ryan have the burden to say we can change the trajectory of the conversation of what's going on in the country and do it well, and that didn't happen with clarity and conviction last night. >> i half agree with carol on that point. but the other part of the equation -- >> i don't think you can agree with that point, because the only poll i have...
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what can romney learn or not learn from paul ryan? we focused so much on the president's awful performance, what does mitt romney need to change if anything? >> i think most of what romney needs to change just has to do with the format, right? you're going to be in a situation where both obama and romney are trying to sort of connect and sell themselves both to the audience at home but also to the people they're talking to in the room. and that's a completely different situation from the first debate. so romney i think overall most people would say, you know, romney overall had a better debate than ryan did. i thought ryan was fine. >> those who were watching. >> cleared the bar and so on. i don't think romney looks at the ryan performance and says i need to model myself after that. i think ryan was very clearly just trying to sort of establish, you know, sort of keep the momentum going. deliver a sort of solid calibrated performance and not give the democrats some big sound bite that they could latch onto. >> in fact, he did give the
what can romney learn or not learn from paul ryan? we focused so much on the president's awful performance, what does mitt romney need to change if anything? >> i think most of what romney needs to change just has to do with the format, right? you're going to be in a situation where both obama and romney are trying to sort of connect and sell themselves both to the audience at home but also to the people they're talking to in the room. and that's a completely different situation from the...
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even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some of that behavior if that debate tomorrow night. >> there were critics from the female side of the aisle that there was no conversation, no debate, between mitt romney and president obama about a woman's right to choose. the obama campaign is accusing governor romney of kind of having an etch a sketch moment again about his position. his stance on this because of a recent interview. take a listen. >> there is no legislature with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that -- would become part of my agenda. >> that was with the des moines register. is the romney campaign -- i know that they are trying to walk back this comment as they often do because -- sfamt saying mitt romney is pro-life and will probably be a pro-life president. when they have mitt
even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some of that behavior if that debate tomorrow night. >> there were critics from the female side of the aisle that there was no conversation, no debate,...
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done and what the romney/ryan team will do when ey win in nembe gi tav t to nd bs fur sto a good soldier. he is going to do his best there. they probably have some narrative on each one of the tough issues, the stealing of faure creanbsrom medicare, the nt tore tst gav t people that almost immediately went bankrupt. all of those things, he will have a narrative. i just mope the public understands that there is the narrative, the white house is going to give and you t t. weav lederay gfeewe t rreynd us that misrepresentations and the truth. >> sean: i am paul ryan, i wouldn't let one lie go through without -- excuse me! that's not true. mrpresident,. wobeli ve, t s yin gtoer anu letting me come on. >> sean: coming up tonight... >> i never said that. i never said we don't know-- >>> oh, really? jay carney is taken t ton eeni ilec with liz cheney and michelle malkin this. friday, i make my big-screen debut in at lat shrug, part 2, we have anique peek. the full clip coming upater theho i know the name of eight princesses. i'm an expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward con
done and what the romney/ryan team will do when ey win in nembe gi tav t to nd bs fur sto a good soldier. he is going to do his best there. they probably have some narrative on each one of the tough issues, the stealing of faure creanbsrom medicare, the nt tore tst gav t people that almost immediately went bankrupt. all of those things, he will have a narrative. i just mope the public understands that there is the narrative, the white house is going to give and you t t. weav lederay gfeewe t...
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. >> in the next debate and the vice presidential debate, when mitt romney or paul ryan is saying something that is not true. they need to call it out. that is not true. you do have a $5 trillion tax cut in your plans. you're not going to cover people's pre-existing conditions in your healthcare plan. you need to say it then and not rely on fax checkers the next day. >> eliot: you can't wait for the story the next day. ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the president need to do that,e vince this power and passion and sense of purpose that so clearly was missing. >> i think people want to see that he wants the job. that he wants to fight for them. if you look at it this way if somebody is looking at somebody who won't even stand up for themselves, then what are the chances they're thinking that this person is going to stand up for me? when you're watching obama in this debate you can finally see why it is that he was getting rolled day in and day out by the republicans on capitol hill. you can say hey man that is a guy i would like to be negotiating with. >> eliot:
. >> in the next debate and the vice presidential debate, when mitt romney or paul ryan is saying something that is not true. they need to call it out. that is not true. you do have a $5 trillion tax cut in your plans. you're not going to cover people's pre-existing conditions in your healthcare plan. you need to say it then and not rely on fax checkers the next day. >> eliot: you can't wait for the story the next day. ryan zerlina is right. you cannot depend upon that. how does the...
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done and what the romney/ryan team will do when they win in november. joe gizz going to have to try to defend his boss's failures. he is going to be a good soldier. he is going to do his best there. they probably have some narrative on each one of the tough issues, the stealing of $716 billion from medicare, the failure to create any jobs in this country, the horrible grants that they gave to people that almost immediately went bankrupt. all of those things, he will have a narrative. i just mope the public understands that there is the narrative, the white house is going to give and you the truth. we have learned, there is always a big difference between the narrative they hand us that misrepresentations and the truth. >> sean: i am paul ryan, i wouldn't let one lie go through without -- excuse me! that's not true. mr. president, sir. i would be polite about it. governor, good to see you again. >> good to be here. thank you for letting me come on. >> sean: coming up tonight... >> i never said that. i never said we don't know-- >>> oh, really? jay carney
done and what the romney/ryan team will do when they win in november. joe gizz going to have to try to defend his boss's failures. he is going to be a good soldier. he is going to do his best there. they probably have some narrative on each one of the tough issues, the stealing of $716 billion from medicare, the failure to create any jobs in this country, the horrible grants that they gave to people that almost immediately went bankrupt. all of those things, he will have a narrative. i just...
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that's why the romney-ryan ticket has the momentum and it is anyone's race. in 2008 independents loved obama. in 2010 they rejected them. they are moving away from him after that bad debate performance last week. alisyn: before we move on to the other questions in the poll i want to show that mol one or time because there is something else very interesting in it. the lots one there, which is before the debate only 19% of people were insure of who they would go for, these independents. after the debate 15% of them were unsure, why is there uncertainty growing after the debate? >> i think obama has a decent-sized lead an didn't do well eufp. i think a lot of people who said they were going to vote for obama are in the undecided campaign. i think that's where the election will be decided. mitt romney over the past couple of weeks has been softening his position in order to appeal to independentses. and that has democrats very nervous because it's working. alisyn: let's talk about favorability rating of president obama. look at this. bob, before the debate 51% fa
that's why the romney-ryan ticket has the momentum and it is anyone's race. in 2008 independents loved obama. in 2010 they rejected them. they are moving away from him after that bad debate performance last week. alisyn: before we move on to the other questions in the poll i want to show that mol one or time because there is something else very interesting in it. the lots one there, which is before the debate only 19% of people were insure of who they would go for, these independents. after the...
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biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. i have had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here, and instead of signing pledges to grover norquist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class, we're going to level the playing field. >> joe klein, that's
biden was defending the middle class while ryan was defending romney. biden's greatest asset was his passion though he might have been over the top. it was possible for a viewer to conclude that he was simply passionate about the middle class. take a look at joe biden early in the debate going after romney on his 47% comments. >> but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a...
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jon: andrea saul, from the ryan campaign. romney-ryan campaign i should say. thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. and we gave both sides equal time. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: a warning from our nation's defense secretary about a growing threat. what he says are military our military need to do before it's too late >> greater danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harrassment. a cyberattack perpetrated by nation-states or violent extremist groups could be as destructive as the terrorist attack on 9/11. such a destructive cyber-terrorist attack could virtually paralyze the nation. jenna: gives you something to think about, doesn't it? that was defense secretary leon panetta talking about cyber attacks linked to countries like china, russia and iran saying u.s. banks have already been hit and we need to defend our nation's networks before critical elements of our infrastructure are targeted. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live from the pentagon. interesting comparison to 9/11. why did mr. panetta choose
jon: andrea saul, from the ryan campaign. romney-ryan campaign i should say. thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. and we gave both sides equal time. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: a warning from our nation's defense secretary about a growing threat. what he says are military our military need to do before it's too late >> greater danger facing us in cyberspace goes beyond crime and it goes beyond harrassment. a cyberattack perpetrated by nation-states or violent extremist...
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and the romney ryan one of the vents in your mouth let me hear me out the romney ryan plan obviously has holes in it and when you talk about these things and the reasonable thing that we can talk about is that when they say they want to close loopholes they really haven't addressed specifics and there's a reason for that this is politically toxic to try and do that because there's a lot of industries and a lot of voters who are waiting so they still reality they don't have the same time no same time you can get all you want but at the same time when it comes to the path to prosperity i think that ryan is being honest and with the power to prosper going to look just like ryan's plan out there and that's his plan but that's that's that's how when you have money and money there's no there's no hollowness to the reality that we are heading towards a fiscal cliff and the only ticket this really looking to address that right now is the republican ticket there's no question of us as you say and this is part of the problem the problem that you have is you have the president who's laid. it's
and the romney ryan one of the vents in your mouth let me hear me out the romney ryan plan obviously has holes in it and when you talk about these things and the reasonable thing that we can talk about is that when they say they want to close loopholes they really haven't addressed specifics and there's a reason for that this is politically toxic to try and do that because there's a lot of industries and a lot of voters who are waiting so they still reality they don't have the same time no same...